In December 2009 I was interviewed by Bill Salus, author of the popular Psalm 83-themed book Isralestine, host of the radio program “Prophecy Update,” and evangelist on the end times website Prophecy Depot. Bill and I spent much of the interview discussing the Rapture, Middle East politics and my “left behind” video “Jesus Came. What’s Next?”
Bill has been kind enough to allow The Christ in Prophecy Journal to reproduce the “Caught Up in the Pre-Trib Rapture” interview in transcript form, edited into an article series. To listen to the original radio program in mp3 format, I invite you to visit Prophecy Depot or KWBB.
In this segment, Bill and I will be discussing a vital message for those left behind after the Rapture.
Bill Salus: A great passage about the Rapture is 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 which begins with, “I tell you a mystery.” Therefore, the Rapture is one of those mysteries of the New Testament that Paul introduces.
The passage goes on, “we will all be changed — in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye.” As I understand it, in the original Greek language they didn’t have nanoseconds, so blinking your eyes was the quickest measurement they had to describe a nanosecond in their vocabulary back then.
The passage continues, “For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.” It goes on to say, “When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: ‘Death has been swallowed up in victory.'”
Bill Salus: I put on my website at prophecydepot.com the video production that you recently produced about the Rapture (see below). In there is a very powerful message that you are trying to get across to people who are left behind. Talk a little about your production. What inspired you to do it? What is the intent of the message? And, in addition to finding it on my site, how they can find it on your site?
Nathan Jones: Certainly. Lamb and Lion Ministries exists to proclaim the soon return of Jesus Christ to as many people as we can as quickly as we can before the Rapture happens. One of the great things about the Internet and the Web and technology like that is that they help us accomplish that goal. We also know that these technologies will continue to exist throughout the terrors of the Tribulation. For example, when the two witnesses who preach in Jerusalem from Revelation 11:1-14 are killed 3 1/2 years into the Tribulation, the whole world will see them die. And so, we know satellite technology and television still be in use.
The wonderful thing about our website and any of the Bible resources that we leave online is that they will be there for people after the Rapture to answer their questions. They want to know what has happened. Where did these people go? Like you said, it will happen in a flash and twinkling of an eye. Two people will be walking and all of a sudden one is gone. The Rapture will create total havoc in the world. We wanted to be able to answer these people’s questions.
Now, we understand during that time there is going to be a great delusion on many people. Maybe they’ll believe aliens snatched up those raptured. Or, they will try to explain it away with Global Warming.
Bill Salus: Someone is going to have to give an explanation.Nathan Jones: Oh, yeah! They will have panels of experts talking about how it happened. We instead wanted to leave the truth with people. And so, I sat down and wrote ten answers to common questions that people basically would have, starting with the basics like “Is there a God?” and “Does He have a Son?” I walk the viewer all the way through the salvation message so they know what to expect, and they will have the real truth out there.
Nathan Jones: The video’s called “Jesus Came. What’s Next?”Because YouTube has a 10 minute time limit for posting videos. We tried to make it in under 10 minutes, but it is awfully hard to answer such big questions in under 10 minutes.
Bill Salus: You actually have the video in two parts, right, because I posted two parts?
Nathan Jones: I broke it into two for YouTube, but services like Yahoo Videos and others allow you to post longer ones. In Tangle we’re given up to 20 minutes.
Bill Salus: If they want to get the video in one solid part they can go to Tangle?
People can find it in a search by typing “Jesus Came” or “Rapture” or “people disappear.” I tried to phrase it more like if they had a question. “Did many people disappear?” They can look that question up in Ask.com.
My hope is that others as well will disseminate this video all over the Internet and when the time comes people will find it. Of course, we have it on our main website, but you never know what will happen to our website and for how long during the Tribulation it will stay up.
We have also created a DVD version one can get online at
bibleprophecyresources.com for $5 to make it easy to leave around. People have written in to me and say, “We have left them in our food storage, we have put them in our safes, we have put it next to our Bible shelf. So, if anyone comes looking for food or clothing or what not during the terrible needs that will happen during the Tribulation they can find these and hopefully they will have a way to play them.”
Of course, other methods electronically are to pass them through people’s IPods and cell phones and devices like that. We just want to leave it out there and it is our prayer and hope that tens of thousands or even millions (I don’t know how many) will watch it both before and after the Rapture. I pray that the Lord will really bless this message of hope and will get it out to those people who are receptive to it. Someday I would like to see many people come to know the Lord through this resource and meet them in Heaven one day.
Bill Salus: Well, $5 that is quite a deal!
Nathan Jones: It’s $5 just because of the materials and the ink. I would give it away free if I could. A gentleman this week just bought 60 copies because he wanted to give them to all his Bible Study friends.
“Jesus Came. What’s Next?” is free all over the Internet where one can link to it and download it, especially if they have RealPlayer. Just do a right click and choose “Save As.”
For the written versions, people tell me they print them out and leave them around or give them to relatives.
The idea is to proliferate both the video and written versions out there, leaving them all over the place so they’re easily accessible. Hopefully, the Lord will have a few people set up during the Tribulation that will come across the message, accept the Lord, and will continue to disseminate the message further during that time period.
Bill Salus: Sometimes the concern is that with the Internet who knows if the “god of this world” (Satan) in the aftermath of the Rapture won’t shut down powerful websites and things along those lines to try to prevent the longevity of something like what you have done in staying on the Internet. Therefore, these hard copy DVD’s that are being circulated could end up being very powerful witnessing tools in the aftermath of the Rapture.
Nathan Jones: I think that we can guarantee the world will become like China where they shut down key words and search terms like that, so that the world will not be able to look up certain topics.
Bill Salus: Yes, as it coughs up its dangerous explanation of what just happened, you are right, the best witnessing tools could be the books and the DVD’s and the hard copy materials that will last.
Bill Salus: I saw your production on the Lamb and Lion television show “Christ in Prophecy.” You and David Reagan did a special on it. After I watched that special I was immediately brought to tears, Nathan. I tell you it was a well done production.
I think the video is especially gripping to those who understand the stage is set. The world in the aftermath of the Rapture with the rise of the Antichrist will believe all sorts of signs and lying wonders, and it will be a harlot world religious system that will just be sweeping through the world and captivating souls.
You know, there are people whom we love presently who do not know the Lord. The Rapture could happen at a twinkling of an eye, right now, because it is imminent! All the signs are there pointing to the need to listen for the sound of the Archangel’s shout and trumpet. It just gripped me because my concern is for the lost who are going to go through the subsequent traumatic times.
Nathan Jones: Well, praise the Lord, Bill! The idea is that the video is a message for those left behind, but I would be very happy to see people come to know the Lord through it now before the Rapture so they can be included in the Rapture.
It can educate Christians, too, about the end times. I have had a number of people write in, including a gentleman from England. He wrote that he didn’t know that much about the Rapture. He thought it was something quiet or mysterious that no one would know about. Well, the Bible is very clear that it is going to be a very loud event. We’ve got a shout from an archangel and a trumpet. And, though it might happen in a blink of an eye so that only believers alone possibly are hearing it, the Rapture is still going to have great global impact. It is going to let the world know there is a God, just like the ending of Ezekiel 38 and 39. And so, I am hoping that this video is very educational for Christians in the Church Age.